September 19, 2014

Stance Reply #2: Kielan

Posted on August 30, 2010 by in On the Road

This is a guest post from Kielan in response to Why Hellaflush Sucks.

 

Kielan's lowered Integra GS

While there aren’t a ton of “reasons” to build your car like this, many people do it because they like the look that they can achieve, and like to see how far they can push the limits of their cars.  HOWEVER, there are some applications for stance that I seem to think you have overlooked.  If you go to Formula D and look at the cars in between runs, you will see quite clearly that they have stance, why?  Because they need to have a low center of gravity to make sure they can keep all 4 wheels on the ground, and perform quick transfers with out flipping the car.  They have wide wheels for grip, just because they are drifting doesn’t mean they don’t have grip.  Because they are so low, they need some camber, but its dialed in to a point where it helps the car drift under more control.  The tires are stretched on because of the ride height and how low the car is, other wise they would rub all the time and that would not be beneficial at all for the performance of the car.   My last input here is this, just because YOU personally don’t understand why people stance their cars, doesn’t mean you can chastise it and call it stupid, pointless, etc.  You can say you respect them for their work all you want, but what that means nothing because you don’t actually respect the car itself.

From your point of view why should anyone modify their car if it serves no actual purpose on the road.  Just because you have 550 rwhp doesn’t actually mean anything because you CANNOT use that power on the road.   I just feel that you should look a little deeper, and see that if you call these modifications stupid, then all modifications are stupid.  I would just read into things a bit more, and realize that the way you are coming across is actually detrimental to all types of car modification, not just the stance movement.

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9 Responses to “Stance Reply #2: Kielan”

  1. Gollum 2 September 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    Quote ~ “The tires are stretched on because of the ride height and how low the car is, other wise they would rub all the time and that would not be beneficial at all for the performance of the car. ”

    Really? So why don’t they run narrower rims so the tires don’t have to be stretched on?

    Most of the Formula D teams will admit that there are many things about their setup, like camber and rim choice, that’s done for the looks because drifting IS a judged sport based on LOOKS and STYLE as much as it is a “race” event”.

    I’m not knocking drifting, but I would just like to point out that a good road coarse racing car could drift just fine, but differs in looks in many ways. I guess my issue all along is that just like the ricer body kit/wing movement of the late 90’s and early 00’s there’s lots of misinformation out there, and kids that thing “x” mod will do “x” to performance when in reality it’s not gaining them anything, or even hurting performance for the sake of doing what’s “cool”.

  2. John Packard 9 September 2010 at 2:16 pm #

    They dont run narrower rims because they want to fill the wheel well as much as possible. By running stretched tires they push the wheels out farther and put more tire higher.

    *I had to look up what stretching was when I read about it here, I found that info in the article.

  3. grant 14 October 2010 at 11:01 pm #

    “Really? So why don’t they run narrower rims so the tires don’t have to be stretched on?”
    wide wheels for grip. he said it in his response

  4. Chris Hecht 15 October 2010 at 11:03 am #

    I think the way Matt Powers and his S14 was developed this year versus last year is big evidence of why super low/hellaflush/stanced drift cars are not as competitive. Matt got a lot of flak for raising his car this year from the stance fans. In an interview on Speedhunters, he said he had to raise the car to become more competitive in Formula D. Raising the car makes it more compliant to bumps in the track and more controllable I’m guessing. Look at Mad Mike Whiddett in his hellaflushed RX8. He didn’t do so well this year vs the likes of Vaughn Gittin (The Champ for 2010), Dai’s S13 and other top finishers. If you want your car to perform at a top notch level of competition, it can’t be super dumped and hellaflush.

  5. Jesse 15 October 2010 at 3:51 pm #

    Grant, wheels don’t offer grip. Tires do.

    Chris, I agree with what you’re saying. Don’t go low for the sake of being low and expect that to offer killer performance. It’s tough to find the line between being so low it hinders performance (bumping/rubbing/bouncing) and not being low enough (only using half of your suspension’s travel, higher center of gravity than necessary). That’s just my $0.02, at least.

  6. E30 Owner 19 October 2010 at 8:51 am #

    Tire stretching: Racers tend to slightly stretch the sidewall to remove the sidewall give due to cornering load. This stretch reduces compliance and thus gives more feedback to the driver. It also allows for faster transitions. Think of it as opposite of wrinkle-wall drag tires. When you want to break traction you don’t want your sidewall providing give.

    -E30 Owner

  7. Mike 29 October 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    @E30 Owner. The driver will experience a great deal of feedback from the road, and the guard rail, and the curb when that tire stretched on a wider-than-recommended wheel fails and causes them to lose control. Experienced racers use a proper sized tire that is safely mounted on their wheels, performance tires will have stiffer sidewall and shoulder to reduce what you refer to as “Sidewall Give”

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/eurowner/stretchgonebad.jpg

  8. Sarah 21 May 2013 at 11:12 am #

    Nice post which they have wide wheels for grip, just because they are drifting doesn’t mean they don’t have grip. Because they are so low, they need some camber, but its dialed in to a point where it helps the car drift under more control. Thanks a lot for posting.

  9. Park Place Motorcars 25 June 2013 at 9:40 am #

    I see slammed cars all the time, and I have a strong feeling the people driving them don’t do it because they need the lower center of gravity, they do it to try to look cool.


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